Randomly decided to check in after years and see talk of Doordie and Amel. Lots of fun memories! Arguably my first long time character, Narwyn, ended up closely aligned with Amel as his protege.
Doordie was one of the best RP's I ever played with. His stories, with his character Amel, were amazing. Rich, deep, complex. I hope Doordie is doing well! You have a really great Uncle!
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There was a post about Timekeeper weapons a while back, part of the discussion was about the lore behind items and if it mattered to RP. As far as I can tell from what was discussed in that thread the staff at the time were supportive of the idea that personal RP trumps item lore or for that matter Thain lore. -Clickedy-
That said, from that point on I joined the masses who have taken items I once considered inappropriate for certain characters and using the tools provided turned them into acceptable versions for my characters. ( The "Helm of Conviction" for example, sold by Banites should be shunned by good characters, but it's the best helm for mind saves on the server [closely followed by one of the Bagnorn helms but that sucker is a lot harder to get and have modified for use] so I just change the name and description and it's now the "Helm of the Resolute" or whatever.)
Was this ever and/or is this still an acceptable practice or will it cause problems in the future when my good characters are called out for using the "tainted" equipment of the bad guys?
If it's not acceptable will there be access made to alignment/faction agnostic equipment of similar quality/features in the future?
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With the naming quill I know I've personally renamed a lot of gear from "bad factions" or "good factions" to represent crafting by another pc, or another origin. I love having this option, as it opens up gear choices in the past that would have been locked to my characters.
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GearsOfMadness wrote ... Then again, only DMs can see it though, so what's the bother?
One of my characters, using one the new Banite weapons, got called out by a Banite "Aspiring Champion" today for having said weapon. While it didn't matter for that character, and the weapon in question was only cosmetically changed (not name or desc this isn't a complaint about what happened), it got me thinking that what if a similar thing happened to one of my goodie two-shoes characters with a weapon that has been fully changed (name description and all). For some of my characters the items in question are from a totally different source but when you come down to it the itemref doesn't lie. Not knowing the challenges behind DMing in NwN I think it would be a lot to expect a DM to have to read every piece of equipment someone has.
Then again I wouldn't want lets say Tanith to be called out for having one of those weapons/items (if he did), it would be totally against his character to have/use it.
Just a thought I had afterwards, decided to ask and be certain.
arrivederci, megido Registered Member #1403
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I personally, when playing a good character, do not buy things from "bad" stores. My character refused to enter Khalador's tower and the Banite store. That is my own RP choice.
On the other hand, if someone calls you out for wearing Thayan armor as a paladin, that's metagaming. Same thing for any piece of equipment. Whether or not I agree with re-purposing gear on the server, if someone says "haha that Paladin has a banite sword", they are metagaming.
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i think its ok to make items not facition spec. im a purist so i dont do it lol but thains flexible. xD
tho MT can you clarify?
metagaming means when you use info that can only be seen by the player. like if i have my character say what someones wearing bcuz of the buffs in their bio thats metagaming, cuz chars cant see bios. but items everyone can see. so if item looks obvs like thay only item and someone says it is thats not metagaming by definition. becuz its using info chars can see.
so i guess i dont understand lol.
unless do you means chars shouldnt tell where items come from just based on items name, like seeing in trade or something?
edit to say sry if that seems rude. not trying to contradict just think i misunderstand haha
Hundbert Registered Member #293
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Use everything. Rename everything. Change descriptions of everything. Naming quill is one of the best features ever added to the server from an RP-perspective.
The Notorious I.N.G. Registered Member #1619
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Dogbert wrote ...
Use everything. Rename everything. Change descriptions of everything. Naming quill is one of the best features ever added to the server from an RP-perspective.
+1
If an item is simple enough to make like the +3 will helm from the Ebon Trade its pretty safe to assume anyone else with decent smithing can produce them.
From a player perspective I like renaming items and alterning the description to give them a new meaning that suits the character. There's just no way the Staff can create items that fit my character. My own customization will always be a better fit. DM-designed items specifically for it would be a different story.
From a DM perspective, it's not great. It does cheapen the experience of designing an item when it is remade by the players to make it fit their character, rather than having the character deal with the item as it is. Those bis bracers from the Nine Hells are a good example, they have this mildly controversial background that can just be edited out.
I think ultimately the player angle is more important. If a player has edited an item with quills to give it a new name and description, that's what goes. I wouldn't go on the DM client to say "nu uh, that's actually Morren's Razorwind". But I do enjoy seeing controversial items being treated as such.
Hundbert Registered Member #293
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Inglorious wrote ...
Dogbert wrote ...
Use everything. Rename everything. Change descriptions of everything. Naming quill is one of the best features ever added to the server from an RP-perspective.
+1
If an item is simple enough to make like the +3 will helm from the Ebon Trade its pretty safe to assume anyone else with decent smithing can produce them.
This is pretty much exactly what I have in mind in such a situation. There are, e.g., +2 full plates found in many locations on the server. Not ALL locations, but reasonable assumptions can be made that X smith in Y town can do it, too.
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